Let’s Be Clear: NOT an Occoneechee Lodge Issue!
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Occoneechee 104 ZF1?
Occoneechee 104 is a large lodge in North Carolina with an active patch collecting community. It has been for years. Most are hones and upright people. It helps that most of the lodge’s issues are readily available to lodge members for trading in reasonable quantities. However, in recent years there have been a few collectors who feel a need to have something “special” of their own to trade and are not reluctant to use the lodge name for their own personal gain.
In the last several months a flap, round and CSP have been appearing and hawked as 2010 Jamboree and BSA centennial issues from this lodge and council. The flap and round are listed on this site and pictured here. Let me be clear: these items are not official issues of neither Occoneechee council nor lodge. They are private issues and were traded freely at the National Jamboree. I do not know, at this time, with certainty who the creator of these items was.
Occoneechee 104 ZR2?
These items are appearing periodically on eBay. At least one adult collector is scanning the eBay listings for these items. When found he contacts eBay and has these items removed, but sometimes not until after others have bid on them.
Please don’t be fooled into believing these are official issues. If you still choose to collect these items, be aware that you are collecting private issues. The trade in these items in no way benefits the lodge, council or the BSA. It only encourages the further creation and marketing of such items.
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…and the sad fact is that the LEC would more than likely have approved these if they had just been presented. But then the creator would not be the one to benefit from making these….the lodge would have been the benefactor.
I guess folks that make private issues are just to dang cheap to buy the lodge’s legitimate patches for trading. We are still one of the few remaining lodges in this area that sells our flaps for $3. We try to make it economical for the youth to have cloth to trade. In fact, we have been known to sell our conclave flaps for $2.50 but I guess when you can have a patch made for less than half of the lodge’s selling price, greed takes over and you do the unethical thing….Make your own.
And we’re supposed to abide by the Scout Oath & Law. Guess there are bad apples in every bunch!
I bet *I* know who made them!
Hey, earlier tonight I bought a nice whisky gift pack.
Tomorrow I’m going to set out to learn the foxtrot.
Yeah most southern region collectors know exactlly who is behind these FAKES!!!!! Dont sugar coat it..and then the individual sits outside the main gate at Jamboree and hawks them as legit patches. What i thought was weird was i was witnessing this and a gentleman with a cigar box asked if he wanted to look at some old region six stuff he pushed him off on me. I gladly took the prefdl flaps, area6c fellowships and first flaps out of the cigar box and brought them back to South Carolina with me. And didnt pay much for them either as he was glad someone who APPRECIATED them got them!
I bet if the lodge was to sue this individual for copyright infringment it would stop. Or revoke his membership.
my 2 cents worth
Jeff –
It’s not believed to be certain that the person you and Robert are hinting at made these. It’s not his “MO” to use historical designs; he prefers pop-culture stuff. We do know he had his own line of popular spoofs again at the last Jamboree, based upon the fictitious blue creatures that live on a very lush moon, where unobtanium can be found.
Neither the lodge nor council has shown (publicly) a desire to pursue legal remedies in such matters, so this stuff continues to be made.